AndriusKulikauskas: Hi Fred, how are you? :: I need to PayPal Barbara. :: I need to write a blog post about our chats. :: Hi Fred
FredKayiwa: I cant see your postings :: do u see mine Andrius
AndriusKulikauskas: Fred, yes I do :: Do you see mine? :: I'm listening to the Internet radio about the US elections. :: and blogging about our chats :: and then working for my math class.
AndriusKulikauskas: yes Fred that is a good idea, do you think you can get a visa? :: If you can get the visa four weeks before the trip then I can buy you a ticket :: also would you have a place to stay in Europe and how long would you like to stay :: Hi Soldier Girl?
FredKayiwa: well i just need to talk to the friends in Swtzland :: I think i can apply for the visa just organise for me an invitation latter soon if possible
AndriusKulikauskas: Can they invite you? :: I can't invite you. :: Switzerand is set to join Schengen in December 2008 so you may be able to travel in Europe. :: So think where you might go or stay if you have the chance.
FredKayiwa: i can have were to stay though it can be outside Geneva
AndriusKulikauskas: yes :: in Geneva we can provide you a hostel room during the workshop :: but of course you will want to stay longer
FredKayiwa: dont you think the comunia peple can send me the invitation as last time for intalia
AndriusKulikauskas: we can provide you with a ticket :: but how long do you want to stay? :: their invitation will be only for a few days :: it would be good that you stay longer? :: what would you prefer :: also the COMMUNIA meeting is for public radio I think :: if you can think of radio projects that would be good
FredKayiwa: besides when are the dates for the work
FredKayiwa: am on and off :: the emabsy may need to know who will pay my tickets so i may need your invitation, then i can talk to my friend to send me host invitation for other 2 weeks or 3
AndriusKulikauskas: Fred how long would you like to visit your friends in Switzerland do you think :: yes ok we can do both :: please make a plan :: and I suggest that we travel together by bus from Switzerland to Lithuania :: we can visit Franz Nahrada in Vienna maybe we would fly there and then take the bus
FredKayiwa: yes there is swiss consulate :: in Uganda
FredKayiwa: i ahve time the all of January and feb
AndriusKulikauskas: great so lets see if you can get a visa and then lets make a plan with your friends for your stay in Switzerland and I want to help you visit Lithuania with me
FredKayiwa: I just want to request my friend to host me because i want to be in the workshop :: so i dont have to give him many weeks he may be having no money for food
AndriusKulikauskas: yes :: and we can provide you with food and accomodation during the workshop for two or three days I think
FredKayiwa: The issue is that i need his Invitation and the workshop Inviation then i can get a latter from my school to take to Embassy
AndriusKulikauskas: yes and I will ask the organizers and COMMUNIA :: so please contact your friend, yes and I will ask the organizers and COMMUNIA
Fred: Then i can let my friend know that i want to be in switzerland before 23 jan and see if he allows to host me
AndriusKulikauskas: yes please you two agree :: and lets agree that after January 23 you travel with me for one or two weeks and then go back to Switzerland :: please plan out your trip
Fred: no i think after travel with you i can go back to Uganda :: dont you think u will need to send me your invitation too for lithunia?
AndriusKulikauskas: no because Lithuania is in Schengen :: and Switzerland is joining Schengen on December 2008 and if that is true you can travel anywhere in Europe :: so we need to learn more about that but your invitation must come from Switzerland
Fred: then i can have bbig attachement :: well for them to know after swtzerland were nest i will go :: yes it will come if we agree with my friend and then the communia needs to get me an invitation :: thanks for the caht cath u tommorrow after school :: iwill be here :: send me the workshop site again?
Markus: I want to get us registered as EVS to host and send :: and this week is European Youth Week :: with CIMO - Fin National Agency here :: they invite us to a reception and we also have a visit :: then involved with Cuban Film Festival :: I am in paper with pic for this :: and we also have an Indian artist here :: so lots to keep us busy
Markus: and thsi week it meets again :: well not exactly I am the EVS Co-ordinator' :: but its a cultural association :: that supports lots of other orgs and encourages different cultural happenings etc. :: Do you know about EVS?
Markus: European Voluntary Service :: run through YOUTH Program of EU :: available to youjng people aged 18-30 :: from med and Eu and ex soviet union countries :: they can go for upto 1 year to do voluntary work' :: the EU pays costs, accommodation, travel toplacement and pocket money :: the org that sends or host gets admin money :: about 450 euro per volunteer :: it has to be
Markus: but once accredited they are a responsible org :: yes :: there is a database :: http://ec.europa.eu/youth/evs/aod/hei_en.cfm :: we also work with a Lithuanian org that is hoping to accredit too :: its free to accredit :: but ther eis a visit first
Markus: well lets get my org registerd first :: then if we develop projects we can send people on 3month placements :: to do the work :: i think trhgat :: that we can do some stuff in conjunction with uzipis :: if they are registered? :: If not maybe thru Inga's org :: but till we are registered I have not developed too much :: but its very broad :: People can really see the possibilities thru the database :: as sample projects have to be given
Markus: so you know what orgs are thinking of doing :: and you can find similar orgs :: so youth oprgs tend to be :: ARTS :: ENVIRONMENBT :: RIGHTS BASED :: or SPORTS BASED :: there is also civil society :: MS is hard to put in on eof these :: its closest to arts projects and civil society :: when I have ours approved I can be clearer :: best is if orgs are registered :: so ms could register in lithuania :: and then send host or even co-ordinate projects :: so for example a lithuanian goes to austria to develop youth work in rural areas thru video bridging :: or an bosnian comes to lithuania to run a youth arts in the community project in schools :: there are so many possibilities
Markus: and then others can use :: think about it a worker for 35 hours a week' :: paid for by the EU :: its pretty good :: but applications have to be in 3 times a year :: so next is Feb :: first we must be registered here :: then I can look to some project proposals :: then appply :: i have lots of ideas :: but my org or others here must support too :: so at that point of developing and looking for EVSers ms can support' :: ideally i want to partner so people see how it works and then they register and host their own :: BUT this is not what I wanted to ask you about :: I wanted to ask if you saw the article for Wrong Headed Thinker yet?
Markus: yes :( :: slack of me :: i correctede all the spellings to the wrong spelling! :: 'i will correct to the right one
AndriusKulikauskas: You could add that for independent thinkers Franz's idea of global villages is important :: because a village crushes indepdendent thinkers, anybody who thinks differently :: but four or five independent thinkers can turn around an entire village :: create a new atmosphere :: shape their environment, which they can't in the city
Markus: we will see i wrote the editor with an articel about albania too :: i will keep you posted :: if i have to get it translated it could be next year
Markus: i think translating is nice, but it really restricst the readership
AndriusKulikauskas: anything else regarding the lab? you're not going to lead the Meaningful Inclusion yahoo group I take it. Could I found a new leader if they have a related deepest value?
Markus: finnish is teh 14th biggest language on wikipedia :: I am not doing any more on that right now :: and if i do it will not be with yahoo :: i thnk it does not work :: a wiki is better :: as info overload
AndriusKulikauskas: I signed up a few people and that takes effort so its good we might continue
Markus: yes maybe i get more fixed here geographically :: and it slets me do stuff :: when i have an organization and peoepl to develop ideas with :: that think very similarly :: i.e. in an enabling way :: and that is what i find here :: they are also capable of doing things :: and motivated :: maybe you can pass by sometime :: when back in the baltic :: i saw that the Knight Challenge was won :: I think that is really good :: and can develop the includer :: anyway I need sleep so gnite
NikkiDadamac: Pam Mclean :: She usually hosts a meeting here once a month called learning by doing :: The WWP(World Without Poverty) group :: She is at a conference and has asked me to host in her place today
Heiner: interesting - my BLOG entry from last night: http://quergeist.info/ :: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 :: Obamas World - Africa and the World beyond Poverty !? - but how? - what world?
NikkiDadamac: We link up mainly with Africa :: and talk about many subjects but microcredit is what Fantsuam Foundation have experience of :: and they are getting a bull to improve milk yield so that they can make yoghurt:-) :: Iam in the UK where are you from? :: I am from the UK where are you from? :: We are trying to help implement Yanus' vision
Heiner: I was witzh Moahmmed Yunus some time in 1996 and then on. did you see the first link I was sending?
NikkiDadamac: Obamas world...yes interesting times :: A brief glance to get the gist will look more thoroughly! :: This link will show you where Pam and I do most of our workYou Tube Video of FF: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlEBTCZ67NI
NikkiDadamac: Ah well I am in Kenya and Nigeria.... :: We are interested in sharing knowledge... :: usually in virtual conferences
Heiner: read the Link about OBAMA Kenja and ODERA ORUKA - Africa beyond POWERTY !! :: will there be here a meeting or 2 hours ?????
NikkiDadamac: I have now learned a little about the vision summit :: The meeting should be 1 hour or longer if wanted but had some conferences this am with Nigeria and no one was online.. :: so they may have a technical hitch :: Pam also sent out reminders last night but again she had a hitch so I am unsure who else will turn up
NikkiDadamac: Heiner I am not sure if I am seeing the info you pointed me to :: Are you a regular here? :: We have dvds reWWP which we areso the book is hard for them to follow giving out freely as English is not everyones first language :: oops text was mixed up.. :: ie we have free dvds from Pam's contact Chris Mcrae which we distribute to contacts in Africa :: We have also given books but due to the costs we have to wait until someone we know is travelling out there :: What is your interests in WWP?
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: Its been pretty longtime I visited chat room and I saw the emal and so I logged in :: Could you help me in briefing up, is it OK for you?
NikkiDadamac: Re looking at the archive I meet a new person Heiner and we just started to introduce ourselves :: Heiner says has worked with Yanus and sent me some intersting links... :: so maybe worth looking at the archive later :: Heiner has had to drop out for the moment as he got busy
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: Through one of the dialogue in another platform :: Subsequently she introduced me to Andruis :: and ms
NikkiDadamac: Thanks for your email ad. we will be in touch re what address to send the dvd to and how many copies you need if you are able to distribute them to others
NikkiDadamac: What are you involved with and interested in at the moment?
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: could you send an email and I will reply by email? :: Primarily we work in the area of FOOD,HEALTH & Life. :: The driving word and what we practice is >SHARE :: ie:Share FOOD, Share Knowledge & Share Responsibility
NikkiDadamac: Yes we will be in touch by email tomorrow :: Sharing is a good word
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: Andrius is it possible to send any written report or material from ms :: So I am S Nikki, thank you for the complement
Nikki: I was telling Heiner that at FF they are getting a bull to improve milk yields so they can make yoghurt :: They have a programme to feed vulnerable children..
Nikki: and nutrition is important also because aids and hiv
Andrius: Surya, is that you in the video? :: Hi Heiner
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: Could you andrius, so much work U do on net and I am not sure whether I have energy to sumup, it will help me to understand and contribute in more organized way
Andrius: Surya are you signed up for any of our groups?
Andrius: Any more, Surya? Those are great. How can we break them down into something you'd like to achieve?
Franz: Heiner, I thought you could give a quick report on what you sent me this morning
Nikki: Surya do you operate mainly in cities or rural environments?
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: We are able to deliver, as you know being Medical Doctors and being in the field, we have plenty of opportunity to deliver in cost effective way :: Both Nikki :: The child you saw in the video is being delivered by us and thus we win friends, who listen,share and take forward the philosophy and practice of sharing food, knowledge and responsibility
Andrius: Surya, you are a doctor? :: How can we support you?
Nikki: We are into Very rural environment and planning to help build an eco sustainable village in Attachab in Nigeria
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: You need to suggest which group you feel I should log into and also mail written reports or material and also give lead to How we can think together and relate
Andrius: Surya we should work with you as an individual - what would be most relevant for you :: including: pursuing a question that you don't know the answer to :: and: formulating an endeavor that we might help you achive :: For the endeavor I'd like to set up a team at our website http://worknets.ning.com :: And we have teams we're setting up here: http://worknets.ning.com/groups
Nikki: Franz- would you like a copy of the WWP dvd that Pam is distributing?
Andrius: Nikki what is your last name, can I create a wiki page for you at our wiki? :: may I?
Andrius: Surya, I see your interest in sharing... I'm keen to organize the kingdom of heaven along with everybody else :: and a key part of that is learning how to share :: and practicing that, I think it takes practice :: also I think it would be great if we of various faiths might think through the basics of a kingdom of heaven :: what that would mean for us :: if we might work towards that from different perspectives :: trying to understand each other's values :: Nikki I set up this page for you at our wiki: http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?NikkiFishman :: Also, do you have a deepest value in life, which includes all of your other values?
Andrius: This helps us organize around you as a leader! just as you are leading today.
NikkiF: I think that it is a joint effort from us all!
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: I see so many dimensions in you Andrius and I need to draw different working methods you apply and see where exactly our work and thoughts converge :: We are all human and we need to be humane and that's what we need to work towards :: Its SHAME if we accumulate, we neee to generate resources and distribute among less fortunate and bring in smiles :: Dual world and policies shouldnt be encouraged atleast when it comes to essentials, for human existence :: The journey I took is having a history of 22 years
Andrius: maybe one idea is learning what are the essentials?
NikkiF: Wise words S :: Pam will be interested in your learning journey
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: Food & Health and their are certain things which are not in our control so we need to read books ie good literature to understand life.
NikkiF: It is what she is doing in Nigeria at the moment :: Videoing 90secs of peoples life journeys of learning
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: We are practicing what all I am saying friends and it is possible to deliver the essentials.
NikkiF: it helps people to understand their life to date and to think where they wish to go in the future :: Welcome Franc
NikkiF: I am the new girl-standing in for Pam Mclean
Andrius: Nikki what would you like to chat about? :: Surya I am interested how we might practically work together :: I am working on my philosophy - right now the idea that God is alone
Andrius: and I would like to organize the kingdom of heaven along with others :: and I think a good step would be to have an active chat room, a 24 hour help center :: and so I think these scheduled chats are a good step towards that. :: So I wrote a post about that: http://www.pbs.org/idealab/2008/11/the-includerepisode-9africans.html
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: U should tell me Andrius, what does it mean Andrius > the kingdom of heaven along with others
NikkiF: If anyone would like a copy of the WWP dvd pls email me at nikkifishman2 AT googlemail.com :: Everyone it was good to e-meet you and I will look at the archive to see what i miss.
Andrius: Bye Nikki! :: Hi Surya, I am thinking of a culture of independent thinkers, perhaps 100,000 active and 1,000,000 supportive participants
NikkiF: Sorry Heiner you had to wait for things to get started -S i will email you- bye and thanks to you all
Andrius: that makes clear and tangible the values that we are discovering as we establish our lab :: and others around the world are perhaps doing related things and we might some day merge our efforts :: and I find that many of the principles Jesus talked about in the Sermon on the Mount :: are very relevant in our culture like "give everything away", "love your enemy", :: and "what you believe is what happens" :: and I believe such principles that we're making practical sense of are relevant for all independent thinkers :: and even I'm thinking that the central aspect of God is alone :: and likewise we are alone as independent thinkers :: and that is our godly nature :: by which we are one with God :: so these are thoughts in my mind :: and I am bold in ambition to work to organize the kingdom of heaven :: because I think we have that opportunity :: and I think that relates to your work, too, very much :: such as your ideas of sharing and learning. :: so I hope we might find ways to talk about that as people from different cultures and faiths :: and outlooks and traditions
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: When we think good and practice Good, good is what happens to us and I have experienced how I am being taken care naturally. :: Only by GOOD deeds, we realize and reach heavenly abode
Andrius: Yes and I think such logic can be pointed out - we can understand how it works - even though in practice we need to have small leaps of faith :: but they can be quite small they don't have to be reckless or martyrlike :: I would like to see a world of many small but visible, understandable leaps of faith :: so that "what we believe is what happens" makes sense
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: U will not be allowed to do more than what U R supposed to be
Andrius: and conversely, we will not be prevented to do more unless by ourselves
Franz: Andrius I would very much like to have a copy of the DVD
Andrius: hmm I don't have a copy, Nikki and Pam do :: How are you Franz? :: And who is Franc?
Franz: Dont know who is Franc...I am just fine :: but could not go to Ireland
Andrius: Surya, what do you wish to do and be and how might we work together do you think? :: your health?
Franz: Yes. I had a surgery 14 days ago with some complications
Andrius: Franz, thank you for participating. I have seen you more active recently. :: I have been teaching math full time and also my PBS blog posts take a lot of time
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: As I said before Andrius, please do send by post your work,about ms and your plans
Andrius: Surya I don't have time to write :: but I do have time to chat with you to make a plan :: I have written above the overview of what I want to do :: I do have time to chat with you about your plans and how we might work together
Franz: test :: lines dont show up :: oh now it works again, after reload
Franz: here is what I set up wioth the help of Les Squires
Andrius: Les Squires is active in community currency
Franz: http://transitioneurope.ning.com/ :: The best Minciu Sodas spirited person I ever found :: A living helproom :: He is extremely helpful and gifted :: andf he shares his knowhow freely :: with people he feels worth investing his time
Franz: So I practically received a first class training on NING
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: I see U pushed many thoughts, shared and demonstrated ur energy of travelling and communicating and I need to understand, how exactly we can converge and do meaningful excercise of universalising the local thought and action.
Franz: and I suddenly understood that it is an art to build a successful site :: Surya Andriuses Information is constantly flowing to everybody
Andrius: Yes Surya the best way is if each of us independently explains what we're doing :: and then we can organize each other and alongside each other :: and that is why I encourage your vision :: because you are achieving a lot :: and we would benefit from your direction :: and then I can share my direction too
Andrius: but as I wrote my interests are :: working to know everything :: http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?LivingByTruth/Summary :: and I have uploaded my latest thoughts there that "God is alone" :: and that being alone is the key aspect of God but also independent thinkers :: And then I'm also interested to organize the kingdom of heaven (along with others) :: and so I'm curious what various movements might contribute (such as Sardovaya, Grameen, etc.)
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: No doubt andrius, I am convinced what I am doing can be done by anyone and everywhere and I see we need to have some core strength and that will do to move forward.
Andrius: and how we might appreciate each other's values. :: And I'm also interested in this help room as a central point for networking. :: Surya would you like to lead a weekly chat? or a monthly chat? :: on your projects? :: Also, I am looking for a leader for the Social Agriculture group :: because Steve Bosserman is not active :: If you were active there :: perhaps we could base it on your deepest value :: Trust - speaking truth, transparency, sticking to commitments, fearlessness, keeping up with time........
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: Thank you for bringing in, what I shared with you in our first encounter at ms and I believe these and follow :: Andrius > Weak souls, Weak Minds, do meek things :: With food, we can change this order :: Then we can communicate Healthy thoughts and convert the energy into healing touch
Andrius: yes that's very relevant in the South Side of Chicago :: and we could experiment with that amongst ourselves and encourage others :: for example, I'm trying to eat better :: but I'm not very knowledgeable :: and it's confusing given the information out there :: and I believe that common sense and simple ideas would be good enough :: but even so I feel ignorant. :: I think I should eat more fruits and vegetables :: and so it's a matter of planning my life to include them :: you understand I am sure
Andrius: also making sure our sleep schedules are right :: because I don't eat well or I overeat if I am going to sleep too late :: or if I don't have regular meals
Andrius: so perhaps we might help each other make sense of such basic questions each for ourselves :: where? :: our photos? :: or at the COMMUNIA workshop video stream?
Andrius: yes that's great :: thank you :: I should lose about 20 pounds :: I think I can here in Bosnia because my schedule is more regular :: and there is less stress :: and I am finding time to exercise :: but I still have to sleep more :: because the blogging is cutting into my sleep :: and so is grading tests.
Andrius: So maybe we could have a wellness plan for the kingdom of heaven? :: A simple set of self-checks :: to make sure that we are getting our sleep :: and that we are eating properly :: that we are living a good rhythm :: But what interests you most? I can't watch your video now because I'm afraid to interfere with the distance learning here, the bandwidth for that
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: We have this life andrius and we need to be open for sharing and bring in smiles as I am mentioning in our chat.
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: I see I have a purpose in this Life and it's all about being with people in their journey and fill colours in their life, such blue sky. :: One of my hobby is looking at sky and I get lots of messages and I share those with all.
Andrius: that's great :: and I like your expression "fill colours in life" just like the sky is filled blue :: I'm curious what is your set of beliefs? :: or what religious contexts do you think within? :: I am Roman Catholic - most Lithuanians are - and I also
SuryaPrakashVinjamuri: OK >1) We have one life so >ETERNAL NOW is the slogan for the coming decades
Andrius: am keen to understand God on his own terms :: and so I am a minimalist in that sense, trying to understand the basics, :: much like Jesus said: 1) Love God and 2) Love your neighbor as yourself :: yes - eternal now
Peter: fred, can you brief me about this Yunus book, what is all about it.
Andrius: Hi I'm back :: Muhammad Yunus won a Nobel Prize for his work on microcredit in Bangladesh
Peter: hey is there any touchable sustainable projective step with Yunus book in any of our group member organization.
FredKayiwa: Hi Andrius :: ok Yunus book is all about creating a world with out poverty :: He mostly talk about how to use Microfinaces well :: there should be a world with loans to poor people :: but not paying lots of intrests
Andrius: Muhammad Yunus then wrote a book Creating A World Without Poverty :: and it is about "social business" :: which work as businesses :: but don't return dividends to the owners :: instead the dividends or profits are reinvested :: or used to make the service cheaper
Peter: how can get these microfinance institutions.
Andrius: I would like to make contacts :: but right now our best contact is Chris Macrae in the UK :: he is the one who knows Muhammad Yunus :: and he got all those books for us :: and he went to Bangladesh to do some interviews and the DVD :: but I have asked for direct contacts :: and we've never had any yet :: but with your help we might. :: Also, Peter I wanted to ask about the DIY Solar :: and then later about the malaria bed nets :: Peter what was your conclusion about the DIY Solar :: for recharging batteries :: Is it practical or not?
Peter: this is time, we need to identify them. this would help built our organization.
FredKayiwa: Peter were do u stay we can send u one copy perhaps
Peter: DIY _ its working. I talked with Graham, he is talking of business deal. I stil don't have money to start the business.
Peter: Yes fred, this would be very great. :: Andrius, do think we can organise for the business of DIY.
Andrius: Peter, please write :: what such a business would look like :: I would be interested to work with you further :: and invest money a little at a time :: if we have a sensible plan. :: Also, I'm interested if you might help with our chat room as Fred is. :: I have to leave now but can you chat tomorrow or Saturday? :: Graham was a bit frustrated but I think we'd like to work together and research further, yes? :: I have to go now, bye!
Peter: Much is known about Yunus book, what do you think can we take advantage of the knowledge to practice them as a group projects. :: the business I talk of is getting orders from Graham to my place, sell them and remit the sales back to you. :: Yes i would be glad to help in the chat. :: Graham was never frustrated , I discussed with him about his sentiment on what I reported in the forum.
AndriusKulikauskas: Yes what are you doing? How is Uyoga? How can we support our Tanzanians?
JosephatNdibalema: Uyoga is progressing well,i was away in my home village now am back to Dar es salaam :: i and my family spent some months with my relatives in the village during my work leave
AndriusKulikauskas: leave me some thoughts! but I must leave now :: also I am working full time but I want to have a strong chat room :: and I'm interested how we might support a culture of indepdent thinkers - a kingdom of heaven
